I have heard these voices before. If I’m not mistaken this is an AI generated “conversation” between bots is it not? Can someone please prove me wrong?
In my humble opinion, it is CRUCIAL for people who generate content with AI to ALWAYS attribute the content to AI. It’s no different than properly attributing art or writing. People get confused by AI. After watching some drone postage of the Grand Canyon, my 9 year old daughter asked me: “Papa, is that real?”
It broke my heart a bit. This is where we are at. The new generations are not able to distinguish real from generated. This is not good. It is HIGHLY corrosive to our minds to no longer be able to trust what adults say and do.
This is a huuuuge topic, Andy, but to keep it brief - I completely agree AI-generated content should be clearly marked as such. Although, once we get used to it, it's fairly easy to spot.
What you are describing is a form of decentralization. The money and media systems are going through it too.
The problem though isn’t that we “hit the limits” of the free market. The problem is that the systems we use to coordinate humanity are fully corrupted by colluding gangsters.
The solution is better systems for humans to work at scale. And there is no better systems that get results than collective “swarm” intelligence systems.
I believe there are a lot of problems, and the first step is to develop language around them that separates emotion from ego.
I’ve been developing a glossary for this, to describe dynamics in systems. I’ve been working heavily on a social theory, that analyzes our somatic, contextual, and systemic interactions.
Through this, I’ve come to the conclusion of decentralized, human first design. I believe this can be replicable, scalable, and open source. I believe we deserve an opt out, are compassionate and driven enough to build it, and our current structures are not carrying us, collectively or individually. I believe the emotional intelligence of our society depends on this project being completed, the future of humanity would genuinely benefit from these concepts, and it’s an attempt to reach respect of fields across the globe. By replacing neglect with collaboration, we will birth new possibilities. We are performing roles we aren’t designed for, and that can be tuned.
Are you familiar with our main field of study? Humans “swarm” intelligence or collective intelligence? It sounds like it is part of what you are describing.
Need to add Greenville SC (Regenerative Economic Zones) to this list! Michael Muyot is here on Substack and leading that (it won’t let me tag him here but if you search)
Excellent article that clearly shows how this works, thank you!
This is a really interesting theory. I agree that the coming changes to mycelial consciousness will be driven forward by communities. However, I've never considered that those communities would make use of the state organisms, albeit on a local level. As the state weakens, it might make more sense for communities to draw support from each other as opposed to relying on the systemic power held by municipalities. Thus, creating a genuinely collaborative community that depends on each other as opposed to being held together by an overarching structure.
I do agree that the coming synthesis will be largely local. I have similar ideas, except I believe that the coming changes may be better supplemented by a system which can influence culture as well. Please check out my article on retooling religion for the 22nd century if you're interested. The tone is significantly more childish and definitely butchers some of the core ideas of spiral dynamics, apologies in advance ahaha.
Thanks for your share on religion! This is a topic that has deeply interested me in the past, meaning the etymology of the word "religion" itself. If you feel like diving into the history of what happened regarding Christianity, check out this rabbit hole in my research portal: https://bit.ly/Rel-Soc. Specifically look for the article titled The Bifurcation of Christianity.
Regarding the use of state organisms, the state has traditionally played a role in bridging two competing belief systems, hence the article. I'll be posting a future essay that explores this historical trajectory. It's my view that we cannot ignore the Private and Public sectors in the coming transition, no matter how much we might dislike either or both.
This leaves out the transition part--how to keep extractive forces from pulling from local wealth creation. A rerun of the iron fist in the velvet glove book from the '70s
The rerun of the iron fist (which has occurred many times throughout history) has been the evolutionary pressure which drives us forward as a species. I've created an entry in my research portal about Hegelian Dialectics through the ages which you might find interesting: https://bit.ly/Heg-Dia
I wasn't aware of this, thank you - beautiful initiative. Another example of how services previously only offered by "professionals" are now being offered by the community. We will see more and more of this happening as our trust in institutions (even Psychiatry) plummets.
Yes they are completely hijacked. Our own municipality is currently under administration because of rampant fraud, so I'm intimately familiar with how bad things are. That said, there are *always* good people in broken systems. For them, the worse it gets, the better it gets. We work closely with these individuals. The process is not easy, but it's simple. Finding the key people is key.
Blockchain tends to overcomplicate things, especially when the developers want to impose smart contracts. We are working with an incredibly low-tech platform in our own (rural) muni and it's working surprisingly well. No smart contracts in sight. Just human trust and cooperation.
Nope. If blockchain were better than existing tech we would see a steady stream of adopters (outside of cryptocurrencies). But there isn't because it's laughably slow and scales poorly. Begone, crypto bro.
The biggest challenge with this group is their current level of thinking, which is firmly linked to Material Consciousness. Ideally we need to find one or two mayors willing to step outside the box and think metaphysically.
“ The problem is that the systems we use to coordinate humanity are fully corrupted by colluding gangsters.”…sounds valid, but if so why. Why are human efforts to coordinate our energies for the benefit of the commons ‘fully corrupted’ by other individuals or groups of individuals?
Because (I think) a downside aspect of humanity is revealed in each stage. Too much material power in the hands of lazy children (aren’t we all?). Currently, the ‘colluding gangsters’ would not have anywhere near their corrupting powers were so many people not so willing to suspend their personal judgment in favor of ‘something for nothing‘ & ‘beat the system.’ From our armchairs we watch ‘rob the casino’ caper movies and endless opinion shows, that use our slothfulness to sell us instant dopamine - rather than us do the painstakingly slow work of cultivating our own inner gardens (and munis), which is a much better metaphor for the age to come.
But then Nature, and Life, will be revealed as wise, rather than our personal toxic waste site, as these carefully curated municipalities arise, standing up in their internal structural integrity - as opposed to the gambler’s dice tosses that our current world system markets as our ‘only hope.’
Why do we crowd around the current world crap game (literally)? Because we are so desperate to change everything around us, except ourselves. That is the hole being slowly filled by those doing the work. A natural filter, which will produce a much more thoughtful and respectful world; on the sooner side at this rate.
A lot of what you (rightly) point to, Richard, has to do with "human nature" *but* importantly shaped by which of the seven phases the society finds itself in. In phases 5 through 7 (where most nations are today), I'd agree with the "laziness and complacency" you point to. BUT, in earlier phases, this aspect is not present at all. Instead there are high levels of ingenuity and creativity on display. For more see https://bit.ly/CycleCiv.
The latest Substack has links where we're kicking off an exploration this Monday, 12 May. In case you miss the link, you can find out more here: https://petoc.michaelhaupt.com
Great question! I believe it's because, over the last 8,000 years, class-based societies have(which *always* collapse) is Nature's way of creating tension and therefore an evolutionary leap forward every time after collapse. I explore this much deeper in a founding document here (see page 12): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vB9rHGnrUpXvAtBd9bk-0KRWakrGiuusBd-oD2N9wfw/edit?usp=sharing
Completely agree, Tauric. I've done a lot of deep spiritual seeking and it seems to me that there is an Evolutionary Impulse driving/pulling us in this direction. My writing is informed by this frame of reference, so I completely agree that the way is unfolding and *all* we have to do is align with it.
OR we can resist it by "trying to stop climate change," for example.
...just 5% to 10% aligning enough, and with sovereignty, can lead to a gravity-well [attractor] for a trajectory towards a post-scarcity world...and i think it will play-out in about a decade from this year...
Interesting. I suppose that when the nation state collapses, we only have the local (municipality?) to step in. But societies have developed and relied upon city states in the past. With their associated downsides. How does that fit into your equation?
There is something to your thesis. However, for hundreds of years we have read similar arguments built upon a rhetorical imagining of the stages of the evolution of society or “civilizations”. There is a bias in the logic that reminds me of the bias in zoology that places humans at the apex of evolution. That is humbug. So I am leery of applying the same logical fallacy to history. I am not convinced that we are evolving in a way that is “better”. Evolution (in biology or sociology) is neutral. It does not care. So applying some moral “good” to the direction of change is a little delusional.
I have heard these voices before. If I’m not mistaken this is an AI generated “conversation” between bots is it not? Can someone please prove me wrong?
💯 Andy, I've now edited the article to make it clear that it's AI-generated, which I should have done from the beginning. You can find the notes used to prepare the convo here: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/73e77ff7-8d6a-45e0-b7c5-4d14458be1ab
Apologies for any confusion about this.
(The article itself is not AI-generated).
What does this mean? You’re saying it is or it isn’t?
I think he’s saying that he wrote an article, then used an AI bot called “Notebook” that is capable of generating a conversation out of those notes.
In my humble opinion, it is CRUCIAL for people who generate content with AI to ALWAYS attribute the content to AI. It’s no different than properly attributing art or writing. People get confused by AI. After watching some drone postage of the Grand Canyon, my 9 year old daughter asked me: “Papa, is that real?”
It broke my heart a bit. This is where we are at. The new generations are not able to distinguish real from generated. This is not good. It is HIGHLY corrosive to our minds to no longer be able to trust what adults say and do.
This is a huuuuge topic, Andy, but to keep it brief - I completely agree AI-generated content should be clearly marked as such. Although, once we get used to it, it's fairly easy to spot.
Less and less so. That’s the goal.
Yes correct. There are also a few additional files added to Notebook to spice up the 'dialog.'
What you are describing is a form of decentralization. The money and media systems are going through it too.
The problem though isn’t that we “hit the limits” of the free market. The problem is that the systems we use to coordinate humanity are fully corrupted by colluding gangsters.
The solution is better systems for humans to work at scale. And there is no better systems that get results than collective “swarm” intelligence systems.
Like these:
https://youtu.be/AIF1Rh_JNeE?si=dAvJ0Iidi5Eyz5Ad
I believe there are a lot of problems, and the first step is to develop language around them that separates emotion from ego.
I’ve been developing a glossary for this, to describe dynamics in systems. I’ve been working heavily on a social theory, that analyzes our somatic, contextual, and systemic interactions.
Through this, I’ve come to the conclusion of decentralized, human first design. I believe this can be replicable, scalable, and open source. I believe we deserve an opt out, are compassionate and driven enough to build it, and our current structures are not carrying us, collectively or individually. I believe the emotional intelligence of our society depends on this project being completed, the future of humanity would genuinely benefit from these concepts, and it’s an attempt to reach respect of fields across the globe. By replacing neglect with collaboration, we will birth new possibilities. We are performing roles we aren’t designed for, and that can be tuned.
Are you familiar with our main field of study? Humans “swarm” intelligence or collective intelligence? It sounds like it is part of what you are describing.
We can build super genies if we align correctly
https://youtu.be/pwNId_vuwPM?si=MC43kfCwWly3z7bG
Language and definition is very important. We talk about this a lot. This is why the culture wars attack definitions first. Like this:
https://joshketry.substack.com/p/without-clear-definitions-laws-are
Need to add Greenville SC (Regenerative Economic Zones) to this list! Michael Muyot is here on Substack and leading that (it won’t let me tag him here but if you search)
Excellent article that clearly shows how this works, thank you!
Thanks for the heads up about Greenville and Muyot - exploring now!
This is a really interesting theory. I agree that the coming changes to mycelial consciousness will be driven forward by communities. However, I've never considered that those communities would make use of the state organisms, albeit on a local level. As the state weakens, it might make more sense for communities to draw support from each other as opposed to relying on the systemic power held by municipalities. Thus, creating a genuinely collaborative community that depends on each other as opposed to being held together by an overarching structure.
I do agree that the coming synthesis will be largely local. I have similar ideas, except I believe that the coming changes may be better supplemented by a system which can influence culture as well. Please check out my article on retooling religion for the 22nd century if you're interested. The tone is significantly more childish and definitely butchers some of the core ideas of spiral dynamics, apologies in advance ahaha.
https://open.substack.com/pub/bluelasers/p/religion-for-the-22nd-century-and?r=2iejxs&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
Thanks for your share on religion! This is a topic that has deeply interested me in the past, meaning the etymology of the word "religion" itself. If you feel like diving into the history of what happened regarding Christianity, check out this rabbit hole in my research portal: https://bit.ly/Rel-Soc. Specifically look for the article titled The Bifurcation of Christianity.
Regarding the use of state organisms, the state has traditionally played a role in bridging two competing belief systems, hence the article. I'll be posting a future essay that explores this historical trajectory. It's my view that we cannot ignore the Private and Public sectors in the coming transition, no matter how much we might dislike either or both.
This leaves out the transition part--how to keep extractive forces from pulling from local wealth creation. A rerun of the iron fist in the velvet glove book from the '70s
Agreed, Luke, however with a slight twist.
The rerun of the iron fist (which has occurred many times throughout history) has been the evolutionary pressure which drives us forward as a species. I've created an entry in my research portal about Hegelian Dialectics through the ages which you might find interesting: https://bit.ly/Heg-Dia
This sounds like the AI generated “conversation” produced by google notes
💯 Daraja, I've now edited the article to make it clear that it's AI-generated, which I should have done from the beginning. You can find the notes used to prepare the convo here: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/73e77ff7-8d6a-45e0-b7c5-4d14458be1ab
Apologies for any confusion about this.
(The article itself is not AI-generated).
It's not only environmental initiatives that need to be decentralised. Here's my recent piece about Zimbabwe's Friendship Bench which acts as a grassroots mental health safety net... It's tested, scalable and evidence based: https://open.substack.com/pub/wordninjaru/p/grandmother-super-powers?r=2n5jha&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
I wasn't aware of this, thank you - beautiful initiative. Another example of how services previously only offered by "professionals" are now being offered by the community. We will see more and more of this happening as our trust in institutions (even Psychiatry) plummets.
Aren't cities already highjacked by unelected officials doingjust that for our own good?!
Yes they are completely hijacked. Our own municipality is currently under administration because of rampant fraud, so I'm intimately familiar with how bad things are. That said, there are *always* good people in broken systems. For them, the worse it gets, the better it gets. We work closely with these individuals. The process is not easy, but it's simple. Finding the key people is key.
I think that blockchain technology will be important in this new world.
Blockchain tends to overcomplicate things, especially when the developers want to impose smart contracts. We are working with an incredibly low-tech platform in our own (rural) muni and it's working surprisingly well. No smart contracts in sight. Just human trust and cooperation.
Nope. If blockchain were better than existing tech we would see a steady stream of adopters (outside of cryptocurrencies). But there isn't because it's laughably slow and scales poorly. Begone, crypto bro.
Nice work! Reminds me a bit of the Parliament of Mayors, and of nodal networks. Very interesting thoughts
Thanks for the reminder about GPM, Johnnie.
The biggest challenge with this group is their current level of thinking, which is firmly linked to Material Consciousness. Ideally we need to find one or two mayors willing to step outside the box and think metaphysically.
“ The problem is that the systems we use to coordinate humanity are fully corrupted by colluding gangsters.”…sounds valid, but if so why. Why are human efforts to coordinate our energies for the benefit of the commons ‘fully corrupted’ by other individuals or groups of individuals?
Because (I think) a downside aspect of humanity is revealed in each stage. Too much material power in the hands of lazy children (aren’t we all?). Currently, the ‘colluding gangsters’ would not have anywhere near their corrupting powers were so many people not so willing to suspend their personal judgment in favor of ‘something for nothing‘ & ‘beat the system.’ From our armchairs we watch ‘rob the casino’ caper movies and endless opinion shows, that use our slothfulness to sell us instant dopamine - rather than us do the painstakingly slow work of cultivating our own inner gardens (and munis), which is a much better metaphor for the age to come.
But then Nature, and Life, will be revealed as wise, rather than our personal toxic waste site, as these carefully curated municipalities arise, standing up in their internal structural integrity - as opposed to the gambler’s dice tosses that our current world system markets as our ‘only hope.’
Why do we crowd around the current world crap game (literally)? Because we are so desperate to change everything around us, except ourselves. That is the hole being slowly filled by those doing the work. A natural filter, which will produce a much more thoughtful and respectful world; on the sooner side at this rate.
A lot of what you (rightly) point to, Richard, has to do with "human nature" *but* importantly shaped by which of the seven phases the society finds itself in. In phases 5 through 7 (where most nations are today), I'd agree with the "laziness and complacency" you point to. BUT, in earlier phases, this aspect is not present at all. Instead there are high levels of ingenuity and creativity on display. For more see https://bit.ly/CycleCiv.
Thanks Michael! Loop me in on your project, please. I am exactly at that muni stage in a real life muni.
Oh fantastic 💥
The latest Substack has links where we're kicking off an exploration this Monday, 12 May. In case you miss the link, you can find out more here: https://petoc.michaelhaupt.com
Great question! I believe it's because, over the last 8,000 years, class-based societies have(which *always* collapse) is Nature's way of creating tension and therefore an evolutionary leap forward every time after collapse. I explore this much deeper in a founding document here (see page 12): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vB9rHGnrUpXvAtBd9bk-0KRWakrGiuusBd-oD2N9wfw/edit?usp=sharing
...this is part of the way unfolding
Completely agree, Tauric. I've done a lot of deep spiritual seeking and it seems to me that there is an Evolutionary Impulse driving/pulling us in this direction. My writing is informed by this frame of reference, so I completely agree that the way is unfolding and *all* we have to do is align with it.
OR we can resist it by "trying to stop climate change," for example.
...just 5% to 10% aligning enough, and with sovereignty, can lead to a gravity-well [attractor] for a trajectory towards a post-scarcity world...and i think it will play-out in about a decade from this year...
Agreed about the timeline. Have you seen the timeline we're working with/towards? https://evags.substack.com/p/framework
I’m on what I believe is the same wavelength. https://substack.com/@zachmiltz/note/c-120228241
Love that we're all out here doing similar work. Cheers from Bonn!
Interesting. I suppose that when the nation state collapses, we only have the local (municipality?) to step in. But societies have developed and relied upon city states in the past. With their associated downsides. How does that fit into your equation?
There is something to your thesis. However, for hundreds of years we have read similar arguments built upon a rhetorical imagining of the stages of the evolution of society or “civilizations”. There is a bias in the logic that reminds me of the bias in zoology that places humans at the apex of evolution. That is humbug. So I am leery of applying the same logical fallacy to history. I am not convinced that we are evolving in a way that is “better”. Evolution (in biology or sociology) is neutral. It does not care. So applying some moral “good” to the direction of change is a little delusional.